THE GOLDEN RIVER
SYSTEM ABUSE / TORTURE
Updates: 11/21/2017 Books Kassimeris Barbariztion; Page started 10/01-03/2017 TORTURE See also:  No to Torture     CIA     Senate Investigations Cartels     Terrorism (General)     Terrorism (Greek Terrorism/Greek Topics)  Books The Barbarization of Warfare Paperback (2006) George Kassimeris (Editor) Organizations CVT dot org: Center for Victims of Torture http://www.cvt.org/who-we-are/contact-us Esoteric Torture (electronic harassment, psychotronics, etc.) Dr. Robert Duncan: Neuropsychological and Electronic No-Touch Torture http://www.drrobertduncan.com/dr-robert-duncans-neuropsychological-and-electronic-no-touch-torture-report.html Geeldon: Gaslighting https://geeldon.wordpress.com/category/gaslighting-2/ added 11/21/2017 New York Times: Inside a 9/11 Mastermind’s Interrogation By SCOTT SHANE JUNE 22, 2008 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/washington/22ksm.html Links Dr. Robert Duncan: Neuropsychological and Electronic No-Touch Torture http://www.drrobertduncan.com/dr-robert-duncans-neuropsychological-and-electronic-no-touch-torture-report.html Geeldon: Gaslighting https://geeldon.wordpress.com/category/gaslighting-2/ Daily Mail: North Korea Torture Otto Warmbier (06/19/2017) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4620142/Otto-Warmbier-death-puts-N-Korean-torture-scrutiny.html Human Rights First Org: Nine Heroes Who Stood Against Torture http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/nine-heroes-who-stood-against-torture Truthdig: How The CIAS Darkest Torture Secrets Were Exposed and Covered Up (9/11/2016) http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/how_the_cias_darkest_torture_secrets_were_exposedand_covered_up_20160911 Washington Post: No Americans Aren’t Fine With Torture They Strongly Reject It (12/2014) http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/11/no-americans-arent-fine-with-torture-they-strongly-reject-it/ General RW Economics: George H. Blackford, Ph.D.  Economist at Large http://www.rweconomics.com/Some_Notes_on_Republicans_and_Torture.htm Some Notes on Republicans and Torture (2009) http://www.rweconomics.com/_themes/sandston/astonrul.gif   Excerpt:  The logical efficiency of torturing terrorists is compelling.  If you arrest just two people from the names obtained from each terrorist you torture, the first yields two more who give you four more who give you eight and in the course of just three rounds of torture you have rounded up 15 terrorists from which to extract all the information you want.  And who could doubt they are all terrorists?  Virtually all have confessed, and those who have not have been implicated by those who have.   The practical efficiency of torturing terrorists is not so compelling.  Torturers don’t start the process with people who are terrorists. They start with people they think are terrorists.  As a result they inevitably end up torturing an unknown number of innocent people—people whose only crime is their inability to defend themselves against the torturers—who can only give the torturers made up information and the names of more innocent people to torture.  (Mayer)  Even when the torturers get their hands on an actual terrorist the information they get is just as apt to be false as true, and the names they get are just as apt to be of innocent people as of terrorists.  What’s more, when they do get the name of an actual terrorist it is among the names of so many innocent people, and in the midst of so much false information it is virtually impossible to tell which is which. This is the way a policy of torture works in the real world.  Torture provides little useful information compared to what can be obtained by professional means, and innocent people are inevitably tortured en masse while the population that is vulnerable to the whim of the torturer is subjected to a reign of terror.  At the same time, the system is self reinforcing as the torturers accumulate a mass of evidence—some true, but most erroneous—that feeds their delusion of being effective, and in the end the entire sordid process is horrific.  (Mayer)  This is why torture is banned by international treaties throughout the civilized world and why it is against the law in the United States, and this is why the Bill of Rights and the prohibition against “cruel and unusual punishment” are such integral parts of our Constitution, and why from the very inception of our country, the United States has, until the Bush/Cheney Administration, stood without reservation against torture.   Issues in the Torture Debate Those who are responsible for this policy of torture want to debate their right to torture people.  They wish to bully their opponents into accepting the issues as they, the torturers, frame them.  They start by trivializing the idea of torture, using euphemisms such as ‘enhanced interrogation techniques,’ and then blatantly deny these techniques are torture.  They challenge the integrity of anyone who objects to their policy of torturing people by asking whether it is permissible to torture someone when there is a ticking bomb somewhere in the belief that answering this question in the affirmative justifies their policy of torturing and terrorizing innocent people.  They claim it is permissible to torture “high-value” detainees who might have “high-value” information that is “likely to save lives.”  (Krauthammer)  With this kind of twisted logic they try to keep their opponents off balance and keep them from asking questions of substance—questions like what does a hypothetical example of torturing an imaginary terrorist and saving an imaginary world have to do with torturing and terrorizing innocent people in the real world in violation of our most sacred beliefs?  Are we supposed to believe all the people they tortured were “high-value” or knew about ticking bombs, that no innocent people were tortured, and that it was all worth it just because they say so?   The people who defend their right to torture look us straight in the eye and tell us their enhanced interrogation techniques aren’t torture even though there is no question in the mind of anyone who has looked at these techniques they are torture.  (Mayer)  These are the same people who looked us straight in the eye and told us they believed in less government and then increased the size of government when they came to power.  They told us they were going to cut taxes on ordinary people and then funneled virtually all of their tax cuts to their wealthy friends.  (Krugman)  They told us deregulating the financial markets would lead to economic growth and prosperity.  The result of their deregulation was wide spread fraud and corruption, hundreds of billions of dollars profit for their friends, and a worldwide economic catastrophe for the rest of us.  (Blame)  They told us we have to invade Iraq because Saddam had WMD and connections to al Qaida and 9/11.  After we invaded Iraq we found there were no WMD or connections to al Qaida or 9/11, and the result of their invasion was tens of thousands of American casualties, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi casualties, trillions of dollars wasted, and more billions of dollars of profit for their friends.   (Mayer N Klein Chandrasekaran Isikoff Ricks Miller White Krugman)  In other words, these people have lied to us over and over again.  They cannot be trusted to tell us the truth about anything, let alone about their torture program.    Those who brought us to this point tell us they have kept us safe and that if we just declassify a few reports all of the good their program of torture yielded will be proved.  This is, no doubt, a good place to start.  These reports should be declassified and carefully examined.   The first thing we must look at is the actual regimen of torture applied to their victims.  We know what the torturers say they did.  What did they actually do?  Next we must find out how much of the evidence for the good the torturers claim to have accomplished is verified only by people they tortured, and how much of their evidence can be established independent of the testimony they tortured out of their victims.  We must then find out how many innocent people they tortured to obtain the results they claim to have found.  Was it in the hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands?  (Mayer)   After we have established these facts we must examine to what extent their torture program has provided a recruitment engine for religious extremist throughout the world, and how much this has made the situation in Iraq and throughout the region worse.  And, yes, we must also examine whether the same or better results have been obtained without torture.  These are only a few of the gut wrenching facts that must be established to put this matter to rest. How Republicans Defend Torture Republicans who defend their right to torture people see all of this as irrelevant and believe there is no need to establish these facts or answer these questions.  They tell us their policy of torturing people is justified because the world is a dangerous place, and to survive in a dangerous world we have to fight fire with fire.  If we don't torture people we won't be safe.  We can't let terrorists have rights or they will attack us again.  We have to be tough and make the hard decisions necessary to keep us safe.  Fuzzy minded liberals are soft and weak and don't understand that it’s a hard, tough world out there, and we have to be just as hard and tough as our enemies in order to survive.   They have been telling us this sort of thing for over forty years now, and when I hear them using this drivel to justify their torturing people it turns my stomach.  It just reeks of Himmler's infamous oration at Posen where he praised the SS for becoming “hard” and at the same time remaining “decent” as they went about their sordid tasks of torture and murder and piled up bodies by the millions. (Himmler) The men of the Third Reich who piled up those bodies along with the other despicable men of history who have resorted to torture and murder to achieve their ends did not become “hard” as they thought themselves to be. They became callous, and they did not remain “decent,” they were and remained sadist.    None of the great leaders of our country—Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, Wilson, Eisenhower—believed in torture.  Churchill did not believe in torture.  Even George S. Patton did not believe in torture, and none of these great men resorted to torture.  Who are the men who have resorted to torture?  Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, the militarists in Japan, Franco, Pinochet, the military junta in Argentina . . . .  The list of despicable people who resorted to torture goes on and on. http://www.rweconomics.com/Some_Notes_on_Republicans_and_Torture.htm
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